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Post by Hello on Nov 3, 2010 16:39:19 GMT -5
Who would you say the MVP of the Upper Tier has been this year? I would say the top three candidates would be Dan Skiba of Mineral Ridge, Carter Hill of Crestview, and Josh McLaughlin of United. I would say all three are deserving for different reasons. Dan Skiba was the most electrifying player in the league this season avg over 10 ypc and rushing for more than 1632 yards on only 144 carries scoring 27 touchdowns. He also accounted for 6 more touchdowns (1 passing/1 defensive/3 receiving/1 special teams) giving him a total of 33 touchdowns on the year. Skiba was also a defensive force for the Rams finishing his career just 2 interceptions short of the schools all time career record. Carter Hill was the field general for the top team in the league running for 1004 yards and throwing for another 1500 yards accounting for a total of 31 touchdowns on the year. Josh Mclaughlin put up lofty numbers week in week out throwing for a league bese 2435 yards and adding on another 1016 on the ground. He threw for 23 touchdowns and ran in another 11 giving him a total of 34 touchdowns on the year.
Now obviously I may be a little bit biased, but I think what Dan Skiba meant to the Rams, not only offensively, but in the return game, and on the defensive side of the ball earns him my vote for MVP.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by 84grad31 on Nov 3, 2010 19:45:12 GMT -5
Good arguments for Skiba for sure as he was a true all-around player. The games against McDonald, United and Columbiana could easily have gone the other way without his participation. I'm not as convinced that CR and U would have suffered as many additional losses without the services of their star player. Just one way to look at it.
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Post by ITCL Web Page on Nov 3, 2010 19:47:45 GMT -5
Hello, you kind of jumped the gun on us there. We usually ask as part of our ITCL Opinion Poll "Who is your ITCL MVP?" at the end of the post-season tournaments. So stay tuned, in a couple weeks that will be our question.
But t answer your question, I agree, Skiba meant more to his team than the other candidates. Although Crestview and United would not have been as successful this year without Hill or McLaughlin.
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Post by eaglefan1 on Nov 4, 2010 8:19:13 GMT -5
All no doubt deserving of recognition. Hard to compare the impact each had on his own team....different circumstances. If you are to say if one of these gentlemen were not on their team how would that effect that teams output then I will put my plug in for United's McLaughlin. Of the 4000 or so yards United's offense generated in their 10 game this season McLaughlin had a direct hand in nearly 3500 of those yards. 350 yards a game! Direct hand in 34 TD's so over 20 pts a game...and in at least 3 games didn't play much in the second half. Played a significant role on defense. 5 interceptions. I don't have figures on tackles but would say with confidence was in the top 3-4 on the team in tackles all the while only playing spotty defense against teams that were soundly defeated. In the past few years much has been said about quarterbacks that throw for over 1000 yds a year and rush for over a 1000 yds a year. How about throw for nearly 2450 and rush for over 1000 in 10 games! I would like to know how often thats been accomplished in the league, or the county, but curious to know how often its been done in the state in a 10 game season. If you want to consider career accomplishments how about over 5000 career passing yards, roughly 2000 career rushing yds, over 40 TD passes, over 20 rushing TD's all while only starting his junior-senior years and if i remember right 2 games as a sophmore with spotty duty in the other games. (These figures were taken from the ITCL website) Now if you want to consider the impact an individual had on a his team...think of those numbers.
...now I know Carter Hill would have put up even better numbers had he played more in games that Crestview had big leads. I'm convinced Hill would have been a force on defense if he would of played...and I have no doubt in my mind Dan Skiba could have easily cracked 2000 yds had he had the carries....so this could be debated indefinetly but to me the bottom line is all three are well deserving and will be remembered for years to come in what they were able to accomplish for their teams.
Hey, how about a three way MVP?
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Post by Hello on Nov 4, 2010 12:54:16 GMT -5
Eaglefan, I agree totally, had given more playing time who knows how high Carter Hills numbers could have climbed. Like you said, given upwards of 200 carries that other top running backs in the area get and Dan Skiba easily goes over the 2000 yard mark and 30-35 touchdown mark. And the numbers McLaughlin put up accounting for nearly all of Uniteds offense is pretty insane. This year is the first year that I can remember since the ITCL was formed that 3 players were all without a doubt so incredibly deserving. I don't think you could go wrong with either of them.
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Post by Cant Forget on Nov 4, 2010 20:02:17 GMT -5
All three of the players mentioned are outstanding players and deserve the mention. But you can't forget about players like Arsuffi and Powell. Powell led all receivers(according to vindyblitz) in receptions and receiving yards, that includes Darius Patton of Poland, who is being looked at by some big time colleges. Arsuffi is just an all around talent, if there was one person to credit South Ranges success to, he's that person. It's hard to count the clutch plays that Arsuffi made throughout the year that won Range some games.
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Post by yep on Nov 5, 2010 2:16:13 GMT -5
Carter Hill has 3 league titles.
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Post by Big Time on Nov 5, 2010 9:01:05 GMT -5
The best team also had the best player. Carter Hill deserves this title. His play changed games. However, Skiba gives him a run for his money. Before I decide on this award, I want to see how Hill plays in the playoffs (especially against Ursuline- if they get the chance). If he plays mistake free football and puts up good numbers- hands down he's the MVP.
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Post by yankeerebel on Nov 5, 2010 10:40:58 GMT -5
I'm gonna wait till after Skiba plays in the next playoff game or the one after that before I make my choise!!! LOL.....I didn't know who Skiba was till this year....Hill on the other hand.....My MVP is Hill and the Rebels "O" and "D" line. They won the battle up front all year....
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Post by Devil Dad on Nov 5, 2010 15:21:15 GMT -5
Watching both teams play this year, In my mind Dan Skiba is the MVP the kid had a very good chance to score every time he touched the ball and probally the best field vision of any back I have seen in recent years of the ITCL and ICL. I have watched alot of ridge games over the years and have seen Levi Leigh, Jon Hack, Mica Hall and Zitello run, Skiba... head and shoulders a better player. Wonder if this website can collect film put a clip together with 20 plays of each player we watch it and Vote.
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Post by yep on Nov 5, 2010 17:55:55 GMT -5
Sorry, but I never heard about Skiba until this year. Like I said Hill has 3 titles. How many does skiba have? How many playoff appearances?
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Post by Hello on Nov 5, 2010 18:48:14 GMT -5
Yes Carter Hill has 3 titles, who cares besides the one he got this year? And who cares if you never heard of Skiba until this year? (He was special mention all state last year) Isn't this the year we are talking about? Does the Heisman trophy winner or NFL MVP or NBA MVP always play on the best team? No. Yes thats a great accomplishment but that has more to do with the team. Crestviews team was better than everybody else this year. Their Line was better than Ridges, there defense was way better then Ridges, and that is why they won the league championship. Put Danny Skiba on Crestview, and he is your best player and has 3 league titles as well. Can't fault the kid for playing where he grew up. I mean I am sure he could have gone to Ursuline or Mooney if he wanted to and collected some hardware.
All three players are deserving. My vote is Skiba because like I said before, he meant so much to his team in every facat of the game. Everything from rushing to punt returns to even punting ( has one of the top net punt avgs in the area). All doing so on a team that had a shot at a share of the crown in week 10 and put up a respectful effort against a very good Crestview team. It's not like he put up these great numbers on a 2-8 team.
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Post by Hello on Nov 5, 2010 18:51:31 GMT -5
And for the how many playoff appearances and championships question. It's not any surprise to anyone on here that Crestviews program over the past several years has been extremely good and if not the best in the league a close second to South Range. They have had some great teams but it doesnt necessarily mean they have had the best player. The best group of 40 or 50 players? Yes. and dont get me wrong, im not saying Dan Skiba is head and shoulders above Carter Hill. I think both are extremely gifted and talented players. But if I had to pick one based on their performance THIS
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Post by hello on Nov 5, 2010 18:52:28 GMT -5
And for the how many playoff appearances and championships question. It's not any surprise to anyone on here that Crestviews program over the past several years has been extremely good and if not the best in the league a close second to South Range. They have had some great teams but it doesnt necessarily mean they have had the best player. The best group of 40 or 50 players? Yes. and dont get me wrong, im not saying Dan Skiba is head and shoulders above Carter Hill. I think both are extremely gifted and talented players. But if I had to pick one based on their performance THIS season, its Skiba.
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Post by yep on Nov 6, 2010 5:17:05 GMT -5
And for the how many playoff appearances and championships question. It's not any surprise to anyone on here that Crestviews program over the past several years has been extremely good and if not the best in the league a close second to South Range. They have had some great teams but it doesnt necessarily mean they have had the best player. The best group of 40 or 50 players? Yes. and dont get me wrong, im not saying Dan Skiba is head and shoulders above Carter Hill. I think both are extremely gifted and talented players. But if I had to pick one based on their performance THIS season, its Skiba. Sorry, but if Skiba was an MVP, they would not have went 6-4. You take Hill away from C-view and the they would go 6-4. Hill is a proven winner and Skiba has not proven ANYTHING. Oh and if you but skiba on our team, he may be lucky to be second best on our team this year. He would be 3rd best in 2008, as BOTH Hill's were better than him. Sorry, but MVP's don't let their team finish with a pathetic 6-4 record and no playoffs. That's just the way it is.
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