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Post by yep on Nov 4, 2010 10:36:56 GMT -5
84 grad: I feel you. Maybe the interview was poorly quoted (Thanks Y-town Vindy). I still feel for the seniors. It was bad enough they got blown out at Crestview, now Ursuline. I know that I am speaking premature in saying it will be a blow out, but if you check Rivals.com Ursuline is nationally ranked (#90 out of the best 100 teams in the country-all divisions). This team is loaded. I am a grad of South Range, but feel that they benefited from a very weak ITCL this year. Only Mineral Ridge was an admirable opponent. A typical ITCL year, Range would have been 4-6 at best. I think that South Range has some rough years ahead. The depth chart lacks experience and talent and my personal feeling, several losing seasons will force Yeagley out the door (by choice bigger program). So you are saying that MR is the only good team in the league??? Sorry, but C-view has a REALLY GOOD team this year. Not on ursuline's level by any means, but I would put them ahead of the teams from 04-08 from C-view( and that includes 05). The fact is, we could throw together the ITCL all-stars and lose by 3 td's. What I have heard is, they will place private schools in divisions based off of their own schedule. Take the average division of their opponents. That way, ursuline moves up, and it does not penalize teams like Y-town Christian that would never make it in a higher division.
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Post by ITCL Web Page on Nov 4, 2010 11:00:59 GMT -5
yep, I can't speak for him, but I think Franky Boy meant that Mineral Ridge was the only good team that South Range beat this year in the ITCL.
Franky Boy, were you referring to the interview that Yeagley did with the Vindicator? Or are you referring to the preview interview on this web site? I though he was was rather up-beat and at the same time honest with us. He is well aware that it will take an absolutely perfect game to even have a chance, but he seemed excited about playing in week #11.
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Post by eaglefan1 on Nov 4, 2010 11:08:17 GMT -5
First off its hard to tell how kids in the younger programs are going to pan out 4-5 yrs down the road. To many variables factor in. What may look like a drop off in skill could prove to be teams that are very competitive, and at the same time teams that look loaded in jr high may never pan out. I'm a firm believer that especially small school programs go thru peaks and valleys. I think if anyone would of said 5-6 yrs ago that Lisbon would have lost 29 of 30 games in 3 seasons you would have been commited. They will return and so will the prominence of Range. I just hope for the sake of South Range's program that when Yeagley does part it will be because he's ready to retire from the game years from now and not because of the pressure of not being 9-1 or 10-0 every year. Secondly one might think the upper tier was down a bit this year but I disagree. Many of these teams had upgraded their out of league schedules and I think overall they fared pretty well. We still out of 30 teams in the region placed 3 in the top 8, with Ridge knocking on the door. Not bad if you ask me. The Ursuline debate is getting old. For right now it is what it is and there is no changing it this year. I'm sure the ITCL will fare as well as anyone against the mighty Irish. Go Raiders!
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Post by 84grad31 on Nov 4, 2010 12:02:14 GMT -5
Yep, that would be great if what you heard becomes reality (playoffs for Private schools being determined by average Div. level of their opponents). Just one good way to skin THAT cat!!Franky boy - I hear ya as well. We never enjoy seeing OUR teams get blown out, but it happened aplenty -to other teams- the years SR was a DIV V powerhouse. At some point ALL teams are on one end or another - and the boys always survive the trauma of being on the lesser desirable end. About SR getting blown out by Crestview this yr... that was abnormal! I didn't see the game but I understand there were key SR turnovers/mistakes, uncharacteristic of SR, and CR took advantage of them all, as good teams do. Call me crazy, but if these SR and CR teams played one another 10 times, I think SR would win 3 or so. Crestview is a very good team this year, but SR is NOT that far away. The 47-7 score was a one-game snapshot in time, and in my opinion, not truly indicative of the talent-GAP between the two teams. Last point - overall, If the ITCL was down this year, it wasn't by much! I agree that the teams stepped up their competion this year (Salem/St Clairsville/Campbell) which not only makes them better teams, but adds a number to the Loss column here and there.
Go S. Range! Hold your heads up, be proud to be where you are, and sock it to 'em the way you never though you could!!
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Post by Franky Boy on Nov 4, 2010 12:05:54 GMT -5
I apologize for leaving out Crestview. I did mean the teams that South Range beat. However, I think this person brings up a great point. Lets take the focus off Range and put it on Crestview. This is a great team with a great QB. They had an awesome season and what do they get to show for it. A first round win, then Ursuline waiting for them after an easy win. I also agree with the fact that this whole Range Ursuline match is played out. Ursuline recruits all the hard nose inner city kids from Y-town promises them a better education and consequently their team is always good. In my vocabulary, that is called recruiting. I also agree that you can never tell how kids are going to develop. However, the best athletes that I played with at Range were all stars in Peewee football. They just had god given talent and proved so when they arrived at high school. There has been a consistent rumor in the area that Yeagley has and will be offered another job possibly at the small college level. I agree he is a good coach and it will be hard to lose him. Good conversations about football nice job clarifying commentator
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Post by 84grad31 on Nov 4, 2010 12:50:13 GMT -5
Many very good football teams across all of Ohio and across all Divisions have "one and out" awaiting them in the playoffs! I don't "feel bad" for any of these teams. MOST are public -vs- public. Nor do I feel bad for SR, or Crestview should they win their 1st playoff game. It is what it is.... until it isn't. And Crestview will still have had an awesome season whether they finish 10-1 or 10-2. Or, perhaps even 9-2 if they take their opponent too lightly.
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Post by Hello on Nov 4, 2010 13:10:53 GMT -5
The ITCL has some good skill players. Carter Hill, Dan Skiba, Josh McLaughlin, Phillip Arsuffi, Nick Rancone...All of these players I think could find a spot on that Ursuline team especially the first 3 mentioned. However, all of those players play for different teams in the ITCL. In my opinion the things that seperate Ursuline and make them such a tough opponent for an ITCL team is the fact that they have 7 or 8 Dan Skibas and Carter Hills and so on. And on top of that, they have those one or two kids that are even better. Then lets not even look at there line where all 5 guys will be bigger than nearly any one lineman in the ITCL. I don't personally think that Ursuline is loaded with top level D1 talent like a Glenville or St. X or the rest of the top notch teams in the state, but they have a lot of very very good players. Depth is key in football and when your 11th guy is just as good as your 2nd guy then you are going to have a pretty darn good team.
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Post by Bobby on Nov 5, 2010 7:50:19 GMT -5
The ITCL has some good skill players. Carter Hill, Dan Skiba, Josh McLaughlin, Phillip Arsuffi, Nick Rancone...All of these players I think could find a spot on that Ursuline team especially the first 3 mentioned. However, all of those players play for different teams in the ITCL. In my opinion the things that seperate Ursuline and make them such a tough opponent for an ITCL team is the fact that they have 7 or 8 Dan Skibas and Carter Hills and so on. And on top of that, they have those one or two kids that are even better. Then lets not even look at there line where all 5 guys will be bigger than nearly any one lineman in the ITCL. I don't personally think that Ursuline is loaded with top level D1 talent like a Glenville or St. X or the rest of the top notch teams in the state, but they have a lot of very very good players. Depth is key in football and when your 11th guy is just as good as your 2nd guy then you are going to have a pretty darn good team. No offense, but Carter Hill would be third string (if that ) on Ursuline's squad. This team is that good.
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Post by yankeerebel on Nov 6, 2010 10:51:42 GMT -5
Yeah, And Catrer Hill has gone to Crestview all his life.....Anybody can stack a team and win....but play within your schools district only , and see how good you are year after year....Hats off to the coachs of South Range,Crestview,Columbiana and others who do just that, year after year and are successfull....They are the true D5, D6 teams....
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Post by itcl123 on Nov 6, 2010 12:47:21 GMT -5
84 grad: I feel you. Maybe the interview was poorly quoted (Thanks Y-town Vindy). I still feel for the seniors. It was bad enough they got blown out at Crestview, now Ursuline. I know that I am speaking premature in saying it will be a blow out, but if you check Rivals.com Ursuline is nationally ranked (#90 out of the best 100 teams in the country-all divisions). This team is loaded. I am a grad of South Range, but feel that they benefited from a very weak ITCL this year. Only Mineral Ridge was an admirable opponent. A typical ITCL year, Range would have been 4-6 at best. I think that South Range has some rough years ahead. The depth chart lacks experience and talent and my personal feeling, several losing seasons will force Yeagley out the door (by choice bigger program). You say that South Range lacks experience in their depth chart. well if my program is right then i am pretty sure that they will have 9 to 11 starters coming back, some that have been playing sense their sophomore and freshman year.
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Post by Hello on Nov 6, 2010 15:04:31 GMT -5
I wasn't necesarrily saying that Carter Hill would play QB and Skiba would play RB....But I think they are good enough players that they would find a spot. Carter Hill didn't play defense at Crestview because he didn't have to. I've seen some of the licks he's laid as a ball carrier and I am sure he can bring the wood on defense. And as for Skiba, he is just too good of an athlete to not find a spot somewhere whether it be a scat back type or WR, or in the defensive secondary. But like I said, 1-11 on the field for Ursuline is better than 1-11 on the field of ITCL all stars. A few could hold their own but overall not a chance.
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