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Post by bulldog1974 on Jul 16, 2008 13:45:24 GMT -5
That EP team was pretty good, no doubt. But they weren't that good. They did get shut out by a Springfield team that was good but not great. They also played some pretty tight games within the league against a couple of teams that were good in Columbiana and Leetonia but nothing special. On the flipside, that 2005 Crestview team just bludgeoned everyone they played outside of the two South Range games. I have no dog in this fight(no pun intended). However, I did see both teams in person more than once and that game would be over with time to spare in my opinion. I beg to differ......Columbiana and Leetonia were good teams that year and if not for the rain storm at both games, Ep would have won big. Just my opinion as I seen all the games and teams that season and the Springfield game was just as the coach at that time said, "we laid an egg". Too much confidence and we had that game won before it started....and it showed.....so being that I have said my piece, have a good day....  |
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Post by raiderqb95 on Jul 17, 2008 14:14:07 GMT -5
Ill stick with my original opinion of saying that the 2001 SR team may be the best team. They fielded speed, strength, and smarts at every position, and if it were not for a run in with the eventual state champs of Bedford Chanel, SR might have brought the trophy.
Bulldog: That EP team of 95 gets easily overlooked but they were team of slackers. They were hitters. As far as the 02' team goes, they may have overlooked Springfield with the confidence they had but we all know the final score matters. That team still accomplished great things and had the unfortunate pleasure of running into Ursuline. I remember that team taking the opening kickoff back for a TD against the Raiders. They had a solid QB (Name escaped me) and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that was the year of the "BEEF" over in EP!
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Post by bulldog1974 on Jul 17, 2008 17:50:33 GMT -5
Ill stick with my original opinion of saying that the 2001 SR team may be the best team. They fielded speed, strength, and smarts at every position, and if it were not for a run in with the eventual state champs of Bedford Chanel, SR might have brought the trophy. Bulldog: That EP team of 95 gets easily overlooked but they were team of slackers. They were hitters. As far as the 02' team goes, they may have overlooked Springfield with the confidence they had but we all know the final score matters. That team still accomplished great things and had the unfortunate pleasure of running into Ursuline. I remember that team taking the opening kickoff back for a TD against the Raiders. They had a solid QB (Name escaped me) and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that was the year of the "BEEF" over in EP! The QB was Smitty Kendrew and it was the year of ACE and BEEF. They were too confident against Springfield. And it showed. On paper Ep should have blown Springfield out like they did a few other teams that year. Springfield rode Ep's second level into the playoffs...with a 6-4 record..... I still would put that team and staff up against many teams...JMO. |
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Post by justafan on Jul 18, 2008 12:00:05 GMT -5
That 2001 South Range team was awesome. They were definitely the best team since 2001, but probably not as good as the 95 Lisbon or Crestview teams.
After the 2001 SR team, I'll stick by my opinion that the 2005 South Range and 2005 Crestview teams were two scores better than any other teams in the 2001-present time frame.
What do you think raiderqb?
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Post by achilles54 on Jul 18, 2008 15:41:03 GMT -5
South Range's 2001 team is probably one of the best I've ever seen. They blanked the 2001, 9-2 TCL Champ Crestview squad 56-0, and also beat a very good Warren JFK team 31-7. They played the state champs Bedford Chanel down to the wire too. That was a great team. Big line, really big.
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Post by raiderqb95 on Jul 18, 2008 22:39:03 GMT -5
Justafan, Ill agree with you on the 2001 SR team being the best team since 2001 but I would bet they would have given those 95 Crestview and Lisbon teams a run for their money. The 05 Raider and Rebels were also excellent teams. I know I will probably catch some grief for this statment but I would put money on the 2006 SR team to possibly beat one or both of the aforementioned teams above. That 2006 team was just that a TEAM! The 2006 Crestview squad could also hold their own.
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Post by justafan on Jul 19, 2008 10:22:42 GMT -5
The 2001 SR team probably would have held their own vs those two teams, no doubt.
The 2006 South Range team was very good, but not as good as the 2005 version in my opinion. Same goes for the 2006 Crestview team.
Both of those 2005 teams were stacked on both sides of the ball. Luckily for the fans we got to see them play it out twice. Unluckily for the Rebels, they picked a bad year to have an awesome team given just how good SR was.
I've seen a lot of the Region 17 games the last few years as well as the state finals. I seriously think that if either of those 2005 teams comes a year earlier or a year later, they have a serious shot at winning the whole thing. In 2005 I was of the opinion that both were top 5 teams in the state, and the 2005 field was better than the 2004 or 2006 in both the region and state.
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Post by ITCL Web Page on Jul 20, 2008 20:22:49 GMT -5
I've seen a lot of the Region 17 games the last few years as well as the state finals. I seriously think that if either of those 2005 teams comes a year earlier or a year later, they have a serious shot at winning the whole thing. In 2005 I was of the opinion that both were top 5 teams in the state, and the 2005 field was better than the 2004 or 2006 in both the region and state. I agree 100% with you justafan. That Patrick Henry team in '05 was phenominal. (I guess the same could be said for Bedford Chanel in '01.) However, I too strongly believe those teams would have beaten Smithville ('04), and JFK ('06) after having seen that GREAT game the Raiders and Rebels displayed in the '05 quarterfinal game at Salem. |
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Post by achilles54 on Jul 21, 2008 17:05:25 GMT -5
Justafan, Ill agree with you on the 2001 SR team being the best team since 2001 but I would bet they would have given those 95 Crestview and Lisbon teams a run for their money. The 05 Raider and Rebels were also excellent teams. I know I will probably catch some grief for this statment but I would put money on the 2006 SR team to possibly beat one or both of the aforementioned teams above. That 2006 team was just that a TEAM! The 2006 Crestview squad could also hold their own. The 06 Raider team was terrible compared to the 07, 05, 01 or even 03 or 04 teams. They really had no business winning 12 games. But they did, because as you said, they were a team. But I wouldn't rate them very high. |
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Post by raiderqb95 on Jul 21, 2008 19:29:04 GMT -5
Achilles54 that 2006 played the toughest schedule of any of the past SR teams in the past decade and won all 10. I know they wouldn't have beaten the 01 SR team but like I said they would have as good as shot as any to beat the 05 team. Dawson at QB was better than Leskosky and while the OLine wasnt as great they were pretty darn good. The D's were about even in my opinion and the kicking game in 06 was phenemonal with Willison. Don't forgot had it not been for a timeout right before half, that 06 team might have been in the state championship instead of JFK
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Post by justafan on Jul 21, 2008 20:52:47 GMT -5
The only two SR teams better than the 2006 team were 2005 and 2001. The 2006 team was really good but not as good as the 2005 squad. The 2005 team won the tougher region, as well as beat the 2005 Crestview team twice. In my mind, that 2005 Rebel team was better than the 2006 JFK team.
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Post by raiderqb95 on Jul 23, 2008 3:55:34 GMT -5
Thats the beauty of debate and speculation. I wish we could pit each team against one another and let them play it out but oh well, let the debate/opinions continue.
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Post by achilles54 on Jul 23, 2008 15:20:20 GMT -5
The only two SR teams better than the 2006 team were 2005 and 2001. The 2006 team was really good but not as good as the 2005 squad. The 2005 team won the tougher region, as well as beat the 2005 Crestview team twice. In my mind, that 2005 Rebel team was better than the 2006 JFK team. The 07 Team is top 3 for sure. If they played the 06 JFK Team, they would have killed them and went on to the State Championship, I am sure of that. They just had the misfortune of running into Ursuline. |
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Post by raiderqb95 on Jul 24, 2008 14:14:28 GMT -5
This past seasons team was a special team for the Raiders for sure! They had about 20 seniors that all played a huge part! There was no real standout on Offense which is why it was so hard to stop them (except UHS) and the D played great together! But like you said they had the unfortunate run in with the buzz saw known as Ursuline.
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Post by justafan on Jul 30, 2008 1:05:29 GMT -5
FWIW, here are some calpreps projections. They're all neutral field scores. Calpreps only does teams since 2003.
TCL Champions in that time frame vs ICL Champions
2004 Crestview 22 2003 Columbiana 21
2005 Crestview 31 2004 Crestview 14
2005 Crestview 28 2004 Mineral Ridge 14
2004 Mineral Ridge 17 2004 Crestview 14
2003 South Range 21 2004 Crestview 17
2005 Crestview 28 2003 South Range 17
2003 South Range 17 2004 Mineral Ridge 15
2005 South Range 24 2005 Crestview 22(The game was played 2x as we all know)
...so according to this the two best champs when the leagues were separate are the 2005 Rebels and Raiders. Here's how they stack up vs the two Raider teams since the league merged.
2005 South Range 22 2006 South Range 17
2005 South Range 28 2007 South Range 21
2005 Crestview 28 2007 South Range 21
2005 Crestview 22 2006 South Range 19
I like and agree with it...
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